I hate to admit it, but I'm not sure which boxes to check on the 8710 for my
upcoming CFII checkride. *My* CFI is away for a couple days & I just wanted
to get the IACRA app filled out ahead of time.

For the initial ride, I checked Airplane Single Engine, Flight Instructor &
"Initial". Would this one be "Additional Instructor" ? Ugh, I feel like
I've failed my ride & I haven't even filled out the form yet... :-)

--



CP-ASEL, instrument, CFI

On Apr 4, 8:10 pm, "Steven Barnes" > wrote:
> I hate to admit it, but I'm not sure which boxes to check on the 8710 for my
> upcoming CFII checkride. *My* CFI is away for a couple days & I just wanted
> to get the IACRA app filled out ahead of time.
>
> For the initial ride, I checked Airplane Single Engine, Flight Instructor &
> "Initial". Would this one be "Additional Instructor" ? Ugh, I feel like
> I've failed my ride & I haven't even filled out the form yet... :-)
>
> --
>
>
>
> CP-ASEL, instrument, CFI

"additional instructor" and "instrument rating"? Strange that the 8710
isn't at all like the tickets themselves. BTW: Make sure you have all
3 endorsements (checkride, written review, 60 days).

-robert, CFII

On 4 Apr 2007 20:39:42 -0700, "Robert M. Gary" >
wrote:

>On Apr 4, 8:10 pm, "Steven Barnes" > wrote:
>> I hate to admit it, but I'm not sure which boxes to check on the 8710 for my
>> upcoming CFII checkride. *My* CFI is away for a couple days & I just wanted
>> to get the IACRA app filled out ahead of time.
>>
>> For the initial ride, I checked Airplane Single Engine, Flight Instructor &
>> "Initial". Would this one be "Additional Instructor" ? Ugh, I feel like
>> I've failed my ride & I haven't even filled out the form yet... :-)
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> CP-ASEL, instrument, CFI
>
>"additional instructor" and "instrument rating"? Strange that the 8710
>isn't at all like the tickets themselves. BTW: Make sure you have all
>3 endorsements (checkride, written review, 60 days).
>
>-robert, CFII

The 60 day endorsement does not apply to CFI practical tests.

On Apr 5, 7:58 am, Bill Zaleski > wrote:
> On 4 Apr 2007 20:39:42 -0700, "Robert M. Gary" >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Apr 4, 8:10 pm, "Steven Barnes" > wrote:
> >> I hate to admit it, but I'm not sure which boxes to check on the 8710 for my
> >> upcoming CFII checkride. *My* CFI is away for a couple days & I just wanted
> >> to get the IACRA app filled out ahead of time.
>
> >> For the initial ride, I checked Airplane Single Engine, Flight Instructor &
> >> "Initial". Would this one be "Additional Instructor" ? Ugh, I feel like
> >> I've failed my ride & I haven't even filled out the form yet... :-)
>
> >> --
>
> >>
>
> >> CP-ASEL, instrument, CFI
>
> >"additional instructor" and "instrument rating"? Strange that the 8710
> >isn't at all like the tickets themselves. BTW: Make sure you have all
> >3 endorsements (checkride, written review, 60 days).
>
> >-robert, CFII
>
> The 60 day endorsement does not apply to CFI practical tests.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I do still need to get the logbook endorsement for receiving training
under 61.187 (b)(7) *i think this is the right one*, and review of
questions I missed on the FII written. That should happen in a couple
days. I just need to figure out which checkboxes to hit on the 8710.

Anyone have any advice for the ride? Questions that stumped them? Cool
things they learned from the examiner during the ride?

On 4 Apr 2007 20:39:42 -0700, "Robert M. Gary" >
wrote:

>On Apr 4, 8:10 pm, "Steven Barnes" > wrote:
>> I hate to admit it, but I'm not sure which boxes to check on the 8710 for my
>> upcoming CFII checkride. *My* CFI is away for a couple days & I just wanted
>> to get the IACRA app filled out ahead of time.
>>
>> For the initial ride, I checked Airplane Single Engine, Flight Instructor &
>> "Initial". Would this one be "Additional Instructor" ? Ugh, I feel like
>> I've failed my ride & I haven't even filled out the form yet... :-)
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> CP-ASEL, instrument, CFI
>
>"additional instructor" and "instrument rating"? Strange that the 8710
>isn't at all like the tickets themselves. BTW: Make sure you have all
>3 endorsements (checkride, written review, 60 days).
>
>-robert, CFII

On the IACRA application software, select new application for
Instructor, not pilot, then within step #2, select flight instructor,
Part 61, and added instrument rating. You do not even have the option
of selecting CP-ASEL, instrument, since you are not altering your
pilot certificate. There are no boxes to check like there are on a
paper application.

On Apr 5, 5:58 am, Bill Zaleski > wrote:
> On 4 Apr 2007 20:39:42 -0700, "Robert M. Gary" >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Apr 4, 8:10 pm, "Steven Barnes" > wrote:
> >> I hate to admit it, but I'm not sure which boxes to check on the 8710 for my
> >> upcoming CFII checkride. *My* CFI is away for a couple days & I just wanted
> >> to get the IACRA app filled out ahead of time.
>
> >> For the initial ride, I checked Airplane Single Engine, Flight Instructor &
> >> "Initial". Would this one be "Additional Instructor" ? Ugh, I feel like
> >> I've failed my ride & I haven't even filled out the form yet... :-)
>
> >> --
>
> >>
>
> >> CP-ASEL, instrument, CFI
>
> >"additional instructor" and "instrument rating"? Strange that the 8710
> >isn't at all like the tickets themselves. BTW: Make sure you have all
> >3 endorsements (checkride, written review, 60 days).
>
> >-robert, CFII
>
> The 60 day endorsement does not apply to CFI practical tests.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

No, in fact we had a CFI checkride scrubed by the DE because the
instructor forgot the 60 day endorsement.

-Robert

On Apr 4, 8:10 pm, "Steven Barnes" > wrote:
> I hate to admit it, but I'm not sure which boxes to check on the 8710 for my
> upcoming CFII checkride. *My* CFI is away for a couple days & I just wanted
> to get the IACRA app filled out ahead of time.
>
> For the initial ride, I checked Airplane Single Engine, Flight Instructor &
> "Initial". Would this one be "Additional Instructor" ? Ugh, I feel like
> I've failed my ride & I haven't even filled out the form yet... :-)
>
> --
>
>
>
> CP-ASEL, instrument, CFI

Hey, why are you using an 8710? I thought the FAA was only accepting
those in situations where you can show that you don't have access to a
PC. All our checkrides are doing using the online system. Its much
easier to use, and it figure out what boxes to do for you.

-robert

On Apr 5, 7:06 am, wrote:
> On Apr 5, 7:58 am, Bill Zaleski > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 4 Apr 2007 20:39:42 -0700, "Robert M. Gary" >
> > wrote:
>
> > >On Apr 4, 8:10 pm, "Steven Barnes" > wrote:
> > >> I hate to admit it, but I'm not sure which boxes to check on the 8710 for my
> > >> upcoming CFII checkride. *My* CFI is away for a couple days & I just wanted
> > >> to get the IACRA app filled out ahead of time.
>
> > >> For the initial ride, I checked Airplane Single Engine, Flight Instructor &
> > >> "Initial". Would this one be "Additional Instructor" ? Ugh, I feel like
> > >> I've failed my ride & I haven't even filled out the form yet... :-)
>
> > >> --
>
> > >>
>
> > >> CP-ASEL, instrument, CFI
>
> > >"additional instructor" and "instrument rating"? Strange that the 8710
> > >isn't at all like the tickets themselves. BTW: Make sure you have all
> > >3 endorsements (checkride, written review, 60 days).
>
> > >-robert, CFII
>
> > The 60 day endorsement does not apply to CFI practical tests.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I do still need to get the logbook endorsement for receiving training
> under 61.187 (b)(7) *i think this is the right one*, and review of
> questions I missed on the FII written. That should happen in a couple
> days. I just need to figure out which checkboxes to hit on the 8710.
>
> Anyone have any advice for the ride? Questions that stumped them? Cool
> things they learned from the examiner during the ride?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Know the insides of all the pitot static instruments, be able to talk
about annoyed waffers a lot. Expect to be read several clearances and
be asked which ones are complete (include the necessary elements).
Memorize all the part 61 requirements for the instrument rating
applicant. Have a complete set of lesson plans for a simulated student
( I just printed some off the web from another CFII applicant ;) ).
The flight itself was probably the easiest ride I've had outside of my
two sea checkrides.

-Robert, CFII (land and sea)

Robert M. Gary wrote:

> Know the insides of all the pitot static instruments, be able to talk
> about annoyed waffers a lot.

mmmmmmmmm...annnerrroid waaaffferrs...mm

On 5 Apr 2007 10:25:13 -0700, "Robert M. Gary" >
wrote:

>On Apr 5, 5:58 am, Bill Zaleski > wrote:
>> On 4 Apr 2007 20:39:42 -0700, "Robert M. Gary" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Apr 4, 8:10 pm, "Steven Barnes" > wrote:
>> >> I hate to admit it, but I'm not sure which boxes to check on the 8710 for my
>> >> upcoming CFII checkride. *My* CFI is away for a couple days & I just wanted
>> >> to get the IACRA app filled out ahead of time.
>>
>> >> For the initial ride, I checked Airplane Single Engine, Flight Instructor &
>> >> "Initial". Would this one be "Additional Instructor" ? Ugh, I feel like
>> >> I've failed my ride & I haven't even filled out the form yet... :-)
>>
>> >> --
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> CP-ASEL, instrument, CFI
>>
>> >"additional instructor" and "instrument rating"? Strange that the 8710
>> >isn't at all like the tickets themselves. BTW: Make sure you have all
>> >3 endorsements (checkride, written review, 60 days).
>>
>> >-robert, CFII
>>
>> The 60 day endorsement does not apply to CFI practical tests.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>No, in fact we had a CFI checkride scrubed by the DE because the
>instructor forgot the 60 day endorsement.

Well then, the DE is wrong. There is no requirement. The requirement
is in the Part 61 FAR's under aeronautical experience (IF required)
for each certificate or rating sought. It is not required for CFI's
or ATP applicants, but is for all other certificates and ratings. The
DE's cannot make up their own rules. Your CFI applicant got screwed
because the DE didn't know the rules he is held to as a designated
examiner. The rules are not negotiable between FSDO's. An
application signed by a recommending CFI for another CFI applicant is
actually good forever and does not expire in 60 days like most others
do. FAR 61.39 (a) (6) requires the 60 day endorsement only IF
required elsewhere in the Part 61 regs.
>
>-Robert

My CFII oral was strictly safety, limitations, and common sense real life
teaching questions as related to teaching instrument flying. Almost every
question started out with "How or what would you teach your student...."
The inflight portion consisted of demonstration, teaching, and questions
that pertained to the immediate task.
I agree with Robert, it was also my easiest checkride.
Jim
CFII / MEI no sea

On Apr 5, 11:15 am, Bill Zaleski > wrote:
> On 5 Apr 2007 10:25:13 -0700, "Robert M. Gary" >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Apr 5, 5:58 am, Bill Zaleski > wrote:
> >> On 4 Apr 2007 20:39:42 -0700, "Robert M. Gary" >
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >On Apr 4, 8:10 pm, "Steven Barnes" > wrote:
> >> >> I hate to admit it, but I'm not sure which boxes to check on the 8710 for my
> >> >> upcoming CFII checkride. *My* CFI is away for a couple days & I just wanted
> >> >> to get the IACRA app filled out ahead of time.
>
> >> >> For the initial ride, I checked Airplane Single Engine, Flight Instructor &
> >> >> "Initial". Would this one be "Additional Instructor" ? Ugh, I feel like
> >> >> I've failed my ride & I haven't even filled out the form yet... :-)
>
> >> >> --
>
> >> >>
>
> >> >> CP-ASEL, instrument, CFI
>
> >> >"additional instructor" and "instrument rating"? Strange that the 8710
> >> >isn't at all like the tickets themselves. BTW: Make sure you have all
> >> >3 endorsements (checkride, written review, 60 days).
>
> >> >-robert, CFII
>
> >> The 60 day endorsement does not apply to CFI practical tests.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >No, in fact we had a CFI checkride scrubed by the DE because the
> >instructor forgot the 60 day endorsement.
>
> Well then, the DE is wrong. There is no requirement.

Either way, the DE called the FSDO, which confirmed it (no 60 day
endorsement, no CFI ride) and the ride was canceled.

-Robert